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Richiv's avatar

I just returned from a few months in Japan. The Japanese I know are seriously upset that they can't afford new apartments or high end restaurants. And a lot of the younger generation seem to be giving up. I love Japan but this doesn't bode well for social stability.

Andy Fately's avatar

Well, given that the 10-year finally broke 1.0% today, it seems you are on your way. Very interesting thesis. I agree, there is not much reason for the yen to strengthen

A Walking Gentleman's avatar

Short JGBs is the concubine creator trade.

I struggle to understand the distribution of cash to young Japanese people to support the boom / increased consumer services spending.

This certainly has me thinking 🤔

The follow up question is how does this negatively affect other Asian trading partners? Korea and China in particular.

mendo's avatar

what do you mean by : Short JGBs is the concubine creator trade. ?

A Walking Gentleman's avatar

As opposed to the historic widow-maker trade it was called.

ES's avatar

¥3600 or lower quality / smaller portions.

Payer spreads or conditional YC trades I’d say is best.

ES's avatar

I agree that Ramen is on its way to ¥3600.

Japan pretends that they care about the currency depreciation. Actually they do not care because exports, tourism etc are doing better. A typical Honne Tatemae approach.

What part of the JPY curve do you think is the better short?

Russell Clark's avatar

I always short long end - otherwise what's the point

Russell Clark's avatar

3600 yen just sounds so wrong!

Russell Clark's avatar

Or.the BOJ could raise rates....

ES's avatar

Listening to BOJ presser last Friday just reminded me how slow they will be. In any case, looking at the hikes of BOJ in the past, they've managed to turn over the US rates markets. The Saudi Arabia of savings it is.

https://www.tradingview.com/x/9uuICSNe/

Russell Clark's avatar

Big change for BOJ and Japan is that Korean and Chinese wages have caught up.to.Japan... Japanese wages are too low - so inflation more likely

Matt's avatar

Other interesting point is that while in the past there were TBT etf equivalents to allow retail to short JGBs they all appear long gone (or JPY long swaption etfs for that matter) which shows how far shorting JGBs has fallen out of any market contemplation.

Russell Clark's avatar

I know the physical JGB market is very tightly controlled...

Clement's avatar

Japan and China have swapped places

In the long arc of history, this is of course but a temporary phenomena

30 years ago, China was relatively poor, and heavily dependent on foreign capital

The RMB was kept weak, foreign investors welcomed with few reservations

Chinese borders were, at least for G7 nationals, essentially completely open

Japan was rich, isolated, and somewhat arrogant

The JPY was impossibly strong, and looked to only get stronger

Today's situation is the exact opposite of the former

To me, Chinese equities look to be a lost decade, if not longer

Similarly, despite a weak yen, the TOPIX might generate enormous returns yet

Billy Bunter's avatar

Excellent synopsis. Could be a real winner in shorting yen and JGBs

Sean's avatar

Seeing increasing stuff on social media about (mainly young) Westerners buying abandoned or run down houses in Japan. For an Australian the prices look extraordinarily low if you think in AUD terms and compare to apartments here. They aren't so cheap if you are earning 1100 Y/hour.

Clement's avatar

Is Japan cheap? In a free-trade world, maybe. In a world with walls, maybe not.

Is Mexico expensive? In a free-trade world, maybe. In a world with walls...

Russell Clark's avatar

That is what Mr Market is saying... and aligns with the shift in political winds.

Matt's avatar

Short JGBs - kiss of life or the re-animator (80’s horror homage) trade

Jeremy McKeown's avatar

Thanks for sharing, very interesting

ES's avatar

Updated this long term graph series now with slightly higher US unemployment, 2nd BOJ hike and lower US 2y:

https://www.tradingview.com/x/NaxAtenn/

BOJ starts to hike soon after the last FED hike.

A predictor of a global recession coming?